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David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34433
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Otto Nieminen wrote:2001 Marie-Claude Lafoy et Vincent Gasse Côte-Rôtie Cuvée Sophia - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie
12% abv. A producer I had never heard of, but when served blind my initial reaction was that this must be N. Rhône Syrah and from some producer who makes Texier-styled wines..
Rahsaan wrote:Otto Nieminen wrote:2001 Marie-Claude Lafoy et Vincent Gasse Côte-Rôtie Cuvée Sophia - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, Côte-Rôtie
12% abv. A producer I had never heard of, but when served blind my initial reaction was that this must be N. Rhône Syrah and from some producer who makes Texier-styled wines..
Given the historical timeline, I think the comparison should be phrased the other way around.
Regardless, they are in a similar boat and funny you should mention it now, as there is currently a thread elsewhere making the same comparison.
David M. Bueker wrote:Thanks for the interesting notes Otto.
I think you hit the Van Volxem nail on the head - overhyped.
Andrew Bair wrote:Hi Otto -
Thank you for the very interesting notes. I'm not that familiar with van Volxem's wines, having only had one before (they are not currently distributed in my state). That said, I did enjoy the one that I drank last year (09 Wawerner Goldberg) - maybe I was fortunate with that one bottle, but it certainly lived up to the hype in that particular case. Schmitges is another producer that I haven't been able to try yet.
That Plavac Mali sounds very nice, and I've been hesitant to try anything from that variety out of fear that the alcohol would be blatant.
Lars - I'm hoping that you will have a chance to profile van Volxem on your site one of these days? Interesting to hear that there has been a stylistic change there - I'd be interested to hear if Roman Niewodniczanski has changed his philosophy somewhat.
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34433
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker wrote:Lars,
I've had Van Volxem wines from 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007 and 2008. The style just does not do it for me. I stopped trying.
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34433
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker wrote:Not many St. Urbans-Hof Feinherbs make it to the USA. I have owned exactly two bottles - ever.
There certainly are sponti aromas in the wines, but that's not the only element in them. My biggest attraction to Urbans-Hof is the Laurentiuslay, as I very much like the particular expression of that site, more so than I do say the Goldtropfchen, which has always been a bit too much for my taste. I like Nik's Saar wines as well, though again, not as much as the Laurentiuslay bottlings.
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34433
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker wrote:Thankfully Nik and Roman do not share similar thoughts on pricing (or at least their importers do not).
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34433
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Bill Spohn
He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'
9561
Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm
Vancouver BC
Otto Nieminen wrote:What are sponti aromas?
Perhaps it is time to list the producers that haven't gone over to the dark side? Does anyone have ideas who in the past couple years is still making old style Claret?
Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
11175
Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Salil wrote:Perhaps it is time to list the producers that haven't gone over to the dark side? Does anyone have ideas who in the past couple years is still making old style Claret?
Canon
Beychevelle
LMHB
Calon Segur
Cantemerle
Trotanoy (affordability is another matter, unfortunately)
Sociando Mallet
Figeac
Salil wrote:Otto Nieminen wrote:What are sponti aromas?
That combination of slight funk and florality I find from German Riesling producers who use spontaneous yeast ferments. (Prum, Schafer-Frohlich, Schloss Lieser, among others in addition to those discussed.)Perhaps it is time to list the producers that haven't gone over to the dark side? Does anyone have ideas who in the past couple years is still making old style Claret?
Canon
Beychevelle
LMHB
Calon Segur
Cantemerle
Trotanoy (affordability is another matter, unfortunately)
Sociando Mallet
Figeac
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