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David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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David M. Bueker wrote:Estate tells us that the winery owns the vineyard land where the grapes were grown. AFAIK there are no other ramifications of the word in German wine law.
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Fredrik L wrote:Robin, read this:
http://www.rudiwiest.com/knowledge/howto_readlabel.htm
What he says about calling wines "Estate" instead of QbA could be true for your winery - which was unknown to me - too!
Greetings from Sweden / Fredrik L
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Fredrik L wrote:It sure looks like a label made for the American market. According to their website "Estate" is their Gutsriesling, made of their own grapes from their own vineyards, and its intention is to represent the style they are looking for.
Greetings from Sweden / Fredrik L
Robin Garr wrote:Thanks in advance ... I'll probably write this up tomorrow, and since German wine law is not my strong point, I'd like to make sure I've got it right. And simple. Did I mention about keeping it simple?
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Lars Carlberg wrote:Robin, do you have an image of the back label? This would help with some more details. "Estate" translates to "Weingut," but doesn't designate whether the wine comes from von Schleinitz's own vineyards or from purchased grapes. If on the back label, you find the word "Gutsabfüllung," then we know that it's an "estate-bottled" wine. If the word is only "Abfüllung," which translates to "bottled by," the wine could include purchased grapes, musts, or wines. It looks like a basic "estate" Riesling from this producer. If it were dry, the wine would most likely indicate this on the front of back label. Qualitätswein plus the name of the region is the new way of writing QbA.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Victorwine wrote:I don’t know David, when looking at pictures of terraced German vineyards on precipitous slopes (sometimes angled 60 degrees or even steeper) you don’t really notice any wineries. In Germany it should be about who grew the grapes and made the wine when it comes to “Estate”.
Salute
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker wrote:Does von Schleinitz still sell a lot of wine to the USA? This is another producer that I no longer see around since they left the Theise portfolio.
David M. Bueker wrote:Walt,
Have you tasted the Donnhoff "Estate" Riesling lately? Pretty stunning stuff to be labeled as "entry level." In fact the label "entry level" devalues the wine, even if it is the least expensive for sale on these shores.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
wnissen wrote:
Honestly, the best translation for the word "Estate" on a German wine is "entry-level."
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