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Rahsaan wrote:Interesting article. Of course I want these regions to continue giving me the wine I love, but chardonnay in Muscadet does seem like it would change the character of the wines I love. That said, if the producers I like continue making the same wines, then it might not be such a big deal.
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
TomHill wrote:OMG.....the end of Western Civilization as we know it!!!!
This could mean....gasp....change. We can't have change in the wine world....we should be
drinking the same ole wines...over & over. Egads...plant Syrah or Picpoul in Calif?? What's the
matter w/ Cabernet and Green Hungarian??
To which I say...how do we know how Chard or SauvBlanc would perform in Muscadet....until we try it.
I would expect the folks who make good (great?? Never had one I'd call great) Melon will continue to do so.
And maybe someone will make a great Chard or SauvBlanc. I'm not prescient enough to say it couldn't happen.
Tom
Hoke wrote:TomHill wrote:OMG.....the end of Western Civilization as we know it!!!!
This could mean....gasp....change. We can't have change in the wine world....we should be
drinking the same ole wines...over & over. Egads...plant Syrah or Picpoul in Calif?? What's the
matter w/ Cabernet and Green Hungarian??
To which I say...how do we know how Chard or SauvBlanc would perform in Muscadet....until we try it.
I would expect the folks who make good (great?? Never had one I'd call great) Melon will continue to do so.
And maybe someone will make a great Chard or SauvBlanc. I'm not prescient enough to say it couldn't happen.
Tom
Feelin' crusty today, huh, Tom?
Florida Jim
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
St. Pete., FL & Sonoma, CA
TomHill wrote:OMG.....the end of Western Civilization as we know it!!!!
This could mean....gasp....change. We can't have change in the wine world....we should be
drinking the same ole wines...over & over. Egads...plant Syrah or Picpoul in Calif?? What's the
matter w/ Cabernet and Green Hungarian??
To which I say...how do we know how Chard or SauvBlanc would perform in Muscadet....until we try it.
I would expect the folks who make good (great?? Never had one I'd call great) Melon will continue to do so.
And maybe someone will make a great Chard or SauvBlanc. I'm not prescient enough to say it couldn't happen.
Tom
TomHill wrote:OMG.....the end of Western Civilization as we know it!!!!
This could mean....gasp....change. We can't have change in the wine world....we should be
drinking the same ole wines...over & over. Egads...plant Syrah or Picpoul in Calif?? What's the
matter w/ Cabernet and Green Hungarian??
To which I say...how do we know how Chard or SauvBlanc would perform in Muscadet....until we try it.
I would expect the folks who make good (great?? Never had one I'd call great) Melon will continue to do so.
And maybe someone will make a great Chard or SauvBlanc. I'm not prescient enough to say it couldn't happen.
Tom
Tim York wrote:
Tom, it seems strange to me that an advocate of change should be admiring the planting of yet more Chard and SB at a time when the world is over-full of more or less bland and boring wines from these varieties. Judging by examples of both which I had from downstream reaches of the Loire, there is little chance of anything distinctive being made from them there, whereas good Muscadet from producers such as those named by Mark is a wine unique of its kind.
One of the major charms of the European wine scene is the existence of distinctive wines made from local grape varieties which are well adapted to their terroirs as defined by appellation rules. I think that I am not alone in believing that we would be much worse off without the presence of unique wines like Muscadet, Jurançon, Madiran, Marcillac, Valaisan Petite Arvine, Valaisan Cornalin, Friuli's Refosco, Wachau's Grüner Vetliner, Bierzo........... I even beg leave to doubt whether the growers in these regions would be better off financially if they lost their niche clientele by planting, say, Merlot, Syrah, Chard or SB instead of their local varieties.
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Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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As you could guess, my post was (only partly) TFIC.
TomHill wrote: And you're right about change. I should be agitating for them to plant Timarasso/Fiano/Jacquere/etc....some really interesting stuff.
Tom
Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Dale Williams wrote:I confess I just don't understand the "Muscadet is a tough sell. so let's change the grapes and sugar level" argument. The growers can already grown Chardonnay, it just can't be called Muscadet (Jardin de France I think?). If they want an AOC wine, can't they push for an overlapping appellation (Nantais Nectar or whatever)?
Oliver McCrum
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:08 am
Oakland, CA; Cigliè, Piedmont
Dale Williams wrote:
I confess I just don't understand the "Muscadet is a tough sell. so let's change the grapes and sugar level" argument. The growers can already grown Chardonnay, it just can't be called Muscadet (Jardin de France I think?). If they want an AOC wine, can't they push for an overlapping appellation (Nantais Nectar or whatever)?
Sam Platt
I am Sam, Sam I am
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:22 pm
Indiana, USA
Sam Platt wrote:We went through a major Muscadet phase a few years ago. Unfortunately, the local wine shop quit carrying it...The problem with Beaujolais is that I can rarely find good versions of it.
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