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Steve Slatcher
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Steve Slatcher wrote:I have a question, and this seems as good a place as any to ask it.
I was wondering what evidence there is that the variety originated in Croatia and travelled to Italy - as opposed to the other way round. I understand the earliest historical references to the variety in Croatia pre-date the historical references in Italy. And one of the names it has been given in Italy may have Zagreb as its root. But all that is hardly proof - the wine could have existed in Italy a long time before it was documented, and as far as I know there is no record of it actually arriving in Italy.
Is there maybe more genetic diversity in the variety in Croatia compared to Italy for example? I am not even really sure how you would do the comparison, considering there are many more vines of it in Italy than Croatia.
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Steve Slatcher wrote:Thanks, Tom, but it seems that the book (or your memory of it) is incorrect. I say "it seems" because grape origins are often difficult to prove.
According to "Wine Grapes" the first mention of the variety in Puglia is in 1799, which is when the first main American gold rush started, and a few decades before the one in California. In 1799 the reference was to Primitativo, but "Wine Grapes" says use of that variety spread in 1820, and became known as Pimitivo in1860.
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
Steve Slatcher wrote: what evidence there is that the variety originated in Croatia and travelled to Italy - as opposed to the other way round.
Is there maybe more genetic diversity in the variety in Croatia compared to Italy for example? .
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
1047
Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Peter May wrote:Steve Slatcher wrote:I understood that the assertion of Croation origin is because of related varieties found in Croatia
"Genetic analyses have shown that Tribidrag is genetically related to several other Croatian native varieties and parent of currently the most important Dalmatian red wine grape variety, Plavac mali,"
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
1047
Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
TomHill wrote:I think it was speculation on his part that it returned to Apulia by returning goldminers taking Zinfandel w/ them.
Tom
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
Steve Slatcher wrote:
Where does that quote come from?.
Peter May
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
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Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Peter May wrote:Steve Slatcher wrote:
Where does that quote come from?.
Its in the article I linked to in the post
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