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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Otto » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:11 pm

Jenise, I've now for a couple weeks also been doing the same: I've only gone to formal tastings (except for Valentines day and a farewell party), but I haven't opened up wine at home. Normally I used to go through a moderate (IMO - I don't know if it's considered moderate on that side of the pond) amount of 2-3 bottles a week, but now about one or a bit less. I see no difference in the way I feel, but I have noticed that my eating habits have changed. I don't any more make "elegant", wine-compatible meals. I eat Indian, Thai, Chinese, Arabic, Turkish meals. I love spicy food and whereas I used to eat it only a couple times a week, now I'm eating it 6-7 days a week! :)

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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Celia » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:12 pm

Otto, a factoid from my GNC Livewell Magazine this month claims :

"Apparently, eating 3g of chilli sauce with a meal burns up to 25% more kilojoules. Hot stuff !!!!"

Not sure if it burns 25% more kilojoules in the meal, or just in the chilli sauce.. :D

Woohoo...I wonder...if I eat 12g of chili sauce, do I get the whole meal calorie-free ?
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Jenise » Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:59 pm

TimMc wrote:You're right, Jenise....and I apologize if I offended.

I guess it's just how I'm wired: I'm programmed for "rescue" not "bystander." :)


Tim, oh no offense taken--you're a man and all men are programmed that way. You want to 'fix'. And most of the time, that's good. :) It was just mildly disconcerting to come back to my computer after 24 hours and find my little post about meal planning torn down like a leaky faucet!
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Jenise » Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:14 pm

I don't any more make "elegant", wine-compatible meals.


That's it in a nutshell--it's just easier to go lite without wine. And re spicy food, you probably nailed the reason we've been on a taco binge this week. Another night, I made homemade fish sticks and cucumber pickles--finger food in front of the TV, since now I don't have to worry about how to manage a wine glass. Now if only hot dogs and potato chips were dietetic....
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Stuart Yaniger » Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:54 pm

Bob has more energy without, and that's all that matters.


TMI! TMI!
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by TimMc » Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:24 pm

Jenise wrote:
TimMc wrote:You're right, Jenise....and I apologize if I offended.

I guess it's just how I'm wired: I'm programmed for "rescue" not "bystander." :)


Tim, oh no offense taken--you're a man and all men are programmed that way. You want to 'fix'. And most of the time, that's good. :) It was just mildly disconcerting to come back to my computer after 24 hours and find my little post about meal planning torn down like a leaky faucet!


My wife tells me the same thing, Jenise. Mostly in the form of "Just sit there and listen, don't try to fix it for me!" Reluctantly, I comply....well, most of the time. :wink:

My only suggestion relative to menu planning is don't fall into the cycle of taking the path of least resistance....it has been my experience that we find more fat inducing foods as a result and it might defeat the original purpose. Make sense?


Good luck!
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Bob Ross » Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:57 pm

"If you were to try not to eat dinner for a week would the outcome be either a sign of a weak willpower or a sign of a strong addiction to food?

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My point: alcohol addiction is a far nastier thing than having two glasses of wine with dinner every day of your adult life. i don't think that your experiment shows you are not addicted to wine; it shows that you have will power."

I disagree, Thomas. I probably didn't explain myself very well -- I was trying to say that I actually enjoy not drinking wine during the "dry periods". Just as I enjoy fasting for a day or two from time to time.

It's not a matter of will power at all.

In fact, if I had to exercise will power not to drink wine, I would extend the "dry" period until I no longer had to do so.

In any event, my purpose in posting was merely to try to empathize with Jenise's and Bob's decision to cut back. I've found positives as well as negatives in abstinence -- of both wine and food.

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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Jenise » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:00 pm

Tim said:
My only suggestion relative to menu planning is don't fall into the cycle of taking the path of least resistance....it has been my experience that we find more fat inducing foods as a result and it might defeat the original purpose. Make sense?


No danger, Tim. It's actually the carbs I'm most interested in cutting back on, and the lack of same might be as responsible for the malaise as the lack of wine. Pasta is my chocolate.

And Stuart: lol!

Bob Ross: I recognized your empathy and I thank you for it. You touched on something crucial: discipline. It wasn't our motive, but it does feel good to feel good to re-establish the idea that you have it, it doesn't have you.
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Bob Ross » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:22 pm

" ... you have it, it doesn't have you."

That is beautifully put, Jenise, thank you. Regards, Bob
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Thomas » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:07 am

Bob Ross wrote:"If you were to try not to eat dinner for a week would the outcome be either a sign of a weak willpower or a sign of a strong addiction to food?

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My point: alcohol addiction is a far nastier thing than having two glasses of wine with dinner every day of your adult life. i don't think that your experiment shows you are not addicted to wine; it shows that you have will power."

I disagree, Thomas. I probably didn't explain myself very well -- I was trying to say that I actually enjoy not drinking wine during the "dry periods". Just as I enjoy fasting for a day or two from time to time.

It's not a matter of will power at all.

In fact, if I had to exercise will power not to drink wine, I would extend the "dry" period until I no longer had to do so.

In any event, my purpose in posting was merely to try to empathize with Jenise's and Bob's decision to cut back. I've found positives as well as negatives in abstinence -- of both wine and food.

Regards, Bob


Yes Bob. There are those who fast as a way of cleansing. Used to do that myself every Sunday.

I reacted to something you said about being compulsive, which to me is a whole separate subject. Sorry if I misunderstood what you meant.
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Paul Winalski » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:44 am

Jenise,

Consider exploring cuisines such as Chinese, Thai, and Indian that match with wine with great difficulty (if at all). Endless possibilities and palate excitement to explore in each of these.

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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by TimMc » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:17 pm

Jenise wrote:Tim said:
My only suggestion relative to menu planning is don't fall into the cycle of taking the path of least resistance....it has been my experience that we find more fat inducing foods as a result and it might defeat the original purpose. Make sense?


No danger, Tim. It's actually the carbs I'm most interested in cutting back on, and the lack of same might be as responsible for the malaise as the lack of wine. Pasta is my chocolate.



Bread is my down fall....I could make an entire meal out of a freshly baked loaf of bread.
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Larry Greenly » Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:50 pm

It's a good thing you're not my neighbor, then.
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by TimMc » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:04 pm

Bread is your weakness, too?


Well, if it's any consolation....it's a big club. :)
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Celia » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:23 pm

I think for Larry it's more a vocation than a weakness... <grin>
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Larry Greenly » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:14 pm

Right. Today I traded a Hungarian farm bread straight out of the oven to my cousin for a brake job. Give away 50% is my motto.
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by TimMc » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:20 pm

celia wrote:I think for Larry it's more a vocation than a weakness... <grin>


So Larry is a bread maker/baker?


Cool 8)
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Larry Greenly » Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:10 am

C'est moi.
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by TimMc » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:45 am

Do you send out? :wink:
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Larry Greenly » Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:23 am

I occasionally use a freshly baked loaf for a door prize at my writing class or SWW meeting. Very popular.
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by TimMc » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:10 am

Larry Greenly wrote:I occasionally use a freshly baked loaf for a door prize at my writing class or SWW meeting. Very popular.


Um.


Do you deliver? :D
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Larry Greenly » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:51 am

Actually, I do. But only locally.
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by TimMc » Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:44 am

Dang!
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Re: Cutting back on wine with meals

by Howard » Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:35 am

Bread is my down fall....I could make an entire meal out of a freshly baked loaf of bread


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Add a little olive oil and a glass of wine and you've definitely got a meal in my book.
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